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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 11, 2009 6:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

I recently read something about an FBI theory regarding a Hell's Angels conspiracy to assassinate Mick Jagger in retribution for the percieved lack of support the Rolling Stones provided for the Angels in the aftermath of that tragedy.

Allegedy some Hell's Angels attempted to infiltrate the Stone's Montauk, NY residence by boat, but were thwarted by a big storm. Can anyone shed any light on this?

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 11, 2009 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

This is only tangentially related to the topic Cliff has started, but Dennis McNally in A Long Strange Trip argues that while the Angels were invited to hang out in front for (IIRC) free beer, to describe them as having been "hired as security" (as the BBC article does) is absurd.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 12, 2009 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

I heard from my (un)reliable sources that the HA security were mostly prospects and that Sonny Barger was not even there.
I'd tend to side with the unruly crowd (some pushing over HA bikes)being the major problem over the GD not playing. The HA's were dealing with a crazy F'r brandishing a gun.

By then the GD had been in a long "security" relationship with the HA. Sympathy for the Devil? hmmm

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 11, 2009 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

would have saved the music world alot of bad singing in the long run

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Oct 12, 2009 6:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

I'd have to differ o boviniphile. McJagoff had great pipes in the late 60s-70s. The great period--Let it Bleed through Goat's Head Soup--is sublime. Listen to "Moonlight Mile" from Sticky Fingers--one of the best vocals I've ever heard.
However, they could have laid it down a long time ago. His voice and the band's playing have slowly but surely declined in the past 20-30 years. Now it's embarassing.

Grace Slick was right when she said that rockers who stayed at the party past 60 were simply embarassing.

BTW.--Caught the Stones at MSG on that 69 tour--magnificent.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 12, 2009 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

holy crap!! a ghost sighting :)

how are ya Bill? Hope things are well!!

I am just not a Stones fan at all and never liked Jagger's vocals. although i do appreciate a song or two of their ouevre - just not many. my choice of wording was more hyperbolic than any true feelings about the man's existence :)

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 12, 2009 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Grace Slick obviously never saw Ronnie James Dio. That guy's 67, and can still blow away any singer out there.

Rob Halford is nearly 60, and is willing to blow any singer out there.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Oct 12, 2009 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Of course there are exceptions to the rule. But I don't think I'd want to see Grace shake that thang.

I'm sure that I'll take plenty o crap for this (I'd feel disappointed if I didn't), but the Dead should have hung it up some time ago. Dylan, too.

Still, I'm glad that they haven't.

This post was modified by ghostofpig on 2009-10-12 14:46:06

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Poster: iloveayf Date: Oct 12, 2009 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

I think so like your opinion

http://eliminate-debt-credit-card.blogspot.com

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 12, 2009 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

i dont know... Dio LOOKS pretty embarrassing on stage at this point in his career (or for the past 10 years) - lol.



(agreed his pipes still work though)

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Poster: snori Date: Oct 11, 2009 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Harsh but fair, Dire.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 11, 2009 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

was kinda harsh - didnt quite mean to condone assassination (of singer's anyways)

:)


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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 11, 2009 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Just wondering, how important do you have to be to be assassinated rather than just plain murdered?


(Howdy, wolfman!)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Oct 11, 2009 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Moscone and Milk's deaths were always referred to as murders, although they were actually assassinations...

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Oct 11, 2009 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Dime Bag Darryl was murdered, John Lennon was assasinated.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 11, 2009 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

hmmmm, good point. didnt think of it that way.




(howdy there Rob - cold as Margaret Thatcher's soul here in Western Mass - but things are great - as I hope things are for you as well)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 11, 2009 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

The story came out as part of a BBC Radio documentary last year on 100 years of the FBI.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7274829.stm

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 11, 2009 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Thanks for that Rob, fascinating!

I cant wait for the movie to come out :) Emile Hirsch as Sonny Barger?

I also read that Barger held a gun to Keith Richards head and forced him to continue playing after the paramedics removed the body of Meredith Hunter...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 11, 2009 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Barger alleged that he held a gun to Keith but so far as I know no eyewitnesses have ever corroborated his story. I don't think the Stones even realised that Meredith Hunter had been killed in front of them and completed their set maybe thinking there had been just another fistfight.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 12, 2009 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

I don't know if Barger had a gun, but Meredith hunter certainly did, which he pulled on the Angels who stabbed him. Jagger got punched in the face earlier by one of the so-called "fans" while getting of the helicopter. The Angels did their job for the most part. Sit on the edge of the stage drinking their free beer, and keep the bands safe. GD seems to have ditched their set and left because of the fans' unruliness than the Angels, from what I've heard and read.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 12, 2009 8:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

It was a fan who threw a beer bottle and hit one of the members of Ace of Cups (6 months pregnant at the time) and fractured her skull. Nobody talks about that, but Marty Balin getting popped in the face gets all the press.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Oct 12, 2009 9:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hrc3EdLCZg

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 12, 2009 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

"GD seems to have ditched their set and left because of the fans' unruliness than the Angels"

I think thats incorrect DeadRed. In spite of my elevated mercury levels (21 mcg/L) I seem to remember a scene from Gimme Shelter where Jer and Phil are walking from the heli-pad and chatting with Michael Shrieve from Santana. I believe it was pretty clear at that time that the Angels were out of control and precipitating most, if not all of the violence. Phil was disgusted, and Jer seemed terrified...

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 12, 2009 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Well that's what I get for growing up around my mom and her biker gang buddies.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 12, 2009 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Agreed- with all the insanity on and around the stage documented in the movie, I'm inclined to believe that the Stones weren't aware of the stabbing until later. And even if they had been, what exactly were they going to do about it? The Angels pretty much had their way with the crowd and the bands all day (just ask Marty Balin).

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 11, 2009 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

If it's on TV , or radios ,nawspapers or govt reports ,then it can only be true true ? Is that what you imply here, Scotty ?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 11, 2009 8:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

I''m not implying anything, but I will say this: just because the media reports something it doesn't mean that it isn't true. Some stories will undoubtedly be false but to assume that everything you read is a lie is rather foolish attitude to take.

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Poster: Lou Davenport Date: Oct 11, 2009 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Thanks, Rob. That is my opinion of the news media in a nutshell: you can't assume it's false just because they report it.

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 12, 2009 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Medias rumors :a cowered way to murder reputations and destroy lives from a cozy office shelterd by big medias !War against Iraq is a typical exemple if medias liars but chutttt it is not welcome ,even among american deadheads ,to tell the truth on these not so comfortable lies made up from political medias ! So under the carpet , off it goes . One more ,one less lie ,who cares ayway ,but the victims ,hé !

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 12, 2009 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Hey Skies, cant you just once contribute something relevant to the discussion of a particular topic?

Every single time you post its just antagonistic bullshit that is completely irrelevant to the thread. Its why everyone here cant stand you! I doubt you even listen to the Grateful Dead. You dont seem to know anything about the band. You have never contributed anything here relevant to the Grateful Dead or their music. I guess it must be slow over at the Lonely Seamans Club...

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 12, 2009 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Gee ,out on a hate wave again , Hunker !It's not because i don't really know how to speak in english as well a all of you ,and being new at PC use that i would know nothing about the Gratefull Dead ! I simply lack the technical know how . I went to about 2OO GD shows ,but i don't have the words to explain on that . Besides ,truly , I know the tunes ,not the titles and dates ,not yet a crime in uptight america yet !

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 12, 2009 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Please don't dominate the rap, jack.

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 12, 2009 1:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Dominate,hé,deadred ? Gee you must feel that small then !

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 12, 2009 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

English motherfucker, do you speak it?

Please don't dominate the rap, jack-->Grateful Dead-->I don't know, but I was told, in the heat of the sun a man died of cold-->Hell's Angels-->Meredith Hunter-->Altamont-->New Speedway Boogie

200 shows, and not a fuckin' clue.

This post was modified by DeadRed1971 on 2009-10-12 21:02:38

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 12, 2009 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Drop dead dude ,you need it now !

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 13, 2009 5:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Hey now Hucker baby : you said everyone can't stand me here ? May they all sit down then ,until the skies fall on their heads dead out ! NA !

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 12, 2009 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

So you think all journalists are nothing but reputation breaking cowards? Here are some names for you:

Edward R. Murrow
Martha Gelhorn
James Cameron
Seymour Hersh
Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein
John Pilger
Veronica Guerin
Robert Fisk
Greg Palast
Philip Knightley
Eric Schlosser

They've all worked to expose injustices and cover ups. Go off and do some reading before you spout off with any more of your ill-considered, half-digested and regurgitated conspiracist fucking garbage. I'm out of patience with it.

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 13, 2009 2:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Booze it off ,Scotty !

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 12, 2009 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

YES ,scotty ,there are good journalists left! There are also many career rotten journalists ,this fact has nothing to do with conspiracy ! For sure it all happens uot of nowhere for no reason ,any one with a dim intelligence can confirm it whentey are not too tired to wonder . But hey now ,it's a free world out there ,isn't it ? Frankly ,couldn't care less who agree or disapprove here . Bullshit phonies ,who think because they talk about GD ,they figured out all the rest of it as well ! Bunch of hypocrits ,you would all have the right to say any garbege talk here whenever it suits any of youu ,but anything i could ever say can only be wrong ? Who say ? You say ? Well ,take a hike ,boys ,as boring as you can get here ,i'll keep saying anything i darn please ! NA !!!

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Oct 12, 2009 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Dude you forget the pullitzer prize winner Garry Trudeau.

A fine journalist in anyones book.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Oct 12, 2009 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

I enjoy Doonesbury as much as anyone and like what Trudeau does. but I don't think even his biggest fan would call him an investigative journalist, which is really what I was going for.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 12, 2009 3:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Tomorrow is the 100th birthday of cartoonist/journalist herblock (Herbert Block), who won three Pulitzer Prizes (1942, 1954, 1979), the Presidential Medal of Freedom (1994), the National Cartoonist Society Editorial Cartoon Award in 1957 and 1960, the Reuben Award in 1956, and the Gold Key Award (the National Cartoonists Society Hall of Fame) in 1979.*

*from Wikipedia

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Oct 12, 2009 10:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

apologies post in haste repent at leasure. maybe not an investigative journalist but he tells it more like it is more often most. you have to admire his honesty with the bd thread

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 11, 2009 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Bunk rumors to propagate misstrust among rebels of political system !

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Oct 11, 2009 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

I heard this story from my Mom when I was a kid in the 70's so this rumour must have been around for quite some time, since the actual concert probably.

My folks lived in the Bay Area through the 60's but weren't into any of the counterculture but they did have some Hells Angels and Black Panther stories to share once and awhile.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 11, 2009 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Hmmm--big storm plays a role...just as with Japan and the Mongol invasion almost a thousand yrs?

Divine wind?

Coincidence?

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Oct 11, 2009 10:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

Divine wind. It's probably more practical than imagining Sonny Barger as Washington crossing the Delaware.

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Poster: jimnull Date: Oct 11, 2009 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Altamont - Hell's Angels (1969)

the Spanish armada also had 'bad' luck with a big storm (and perhaps Drake).